First off, Rande Bly of Birmingham, Alabama responds to Charles Sweigart’s question about the perfume bottle addressed yesterday in #707
All the Carder pieces I have seen were not cased in the melon shape. The cased ones would be easy to spot and are not Steuben.

Next, Rande supplies the following thoughts on various glass colors.
A Summary on Cardinal Red
First off I would like to thank everyone on their participation in the discussion of the color Cardinal Red in Transparent Colored Crystals. In my opinion we did gather enough information to show that the color Cardinal Red does exist. Mr. Carder does refer to copper red in his 1929 notebook. We have seen evidence of copper red in Alan’s vase,a letter opener, a letter opener handle with clear crystal blade, and perhaps a whimsy bowl. At this time I do not believe we were able to come up with enough typical examples to deem Cardinal Red as a “production color” but rather more of an experimental or limited use color. I have also seen it used to accent other pieces and in a signed 8 inch dinner plate. This just goes to show Carder’s ability to make any example of glassware and any color. The examples I like are the pair of Burmese Vases (page 85 of Gardner) and the Glue Chip Bowl ( page 62 Gardner). Why these items never made it to production shall remain a mystery. I clearly imagine there were just some things Carder just didn’t like? These choices seem to be made from a decision more of preference rather than marketability because the other major glass houses proved these wares could be marketed successfully. On the other hand when you have two shades of red so beautiful as Gold Ruby and Cerise Ruby ( Selenium Red) why do you need why do you need a shade as blasé as copper red?

Final answer: I feel we can at this time comfortably ascertain Carder only put two shades of red into active production. They are Gold Ruby and Cerise Ruby ( Selenium Red). The color Cardinal Red is still elusively lurking in the background only occasionally showing it’s limited existence.

Also many months ago we had an in depth discussion on Canary Yellow which behind the scenes produced much technical information and chemical composition on the Steuben Yellows in TCC’s. I at that time promised a summary and after many rabbit trails I am prepared to share the findings.. I am completely convinced that Canary Yellow was only a marketing name for Carder’s Citron and there is no third yellow. This is mirrored with Pairpoint’s Canaria. Like the reds there is only two production shades of Yellow in Steuben Transparent Colored Crystal. They are Bristol Yellow and Citron. There is multiple formulas for both of these colors which added to the confusion and may cause a slight variation of hue and tone but will not be noticeable to most people. This slight difference is probably most controlled by the varying amounts of uranium called for to both Bristol Yellow and Citron.

I have heard many of you make mention of a green. When spoken of we are calling it forest, or emerald, or better yet dark emerald. It is the deepest shade of green just before Special Green and I don’t think it is very common. It lies four shades darker than Pomona, three shades darker than Medium Green (Green #5), two shade darker than Spanish Green, and one shade darker than Sea Green. I have question as to whether it is the same green used in the stems of Oriental Poppy stemware. It is one of the last greens to be identified. I may have some leads on the color name for this shade of green and someday soon will send a photo for discussion. Although it is a rather rare shade of green there is enough examples out there we will have no trouble accumulating some for discussion.

So sorry I missed you all this year at the Symposium I so wanted to go. Maybe next year I can make it.